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  A talk about 1975 from 1972

  by Nostromo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  everybody knows the famous "stay alive still 75" audio clip but here is a clip from 1972 with english subtitles.

  harold mouritz was the branch committee member in finland when he gave this talk.

  later he became the coordinator of the australian branch.

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  Captain and Tennille 1975 hit - "Love Will Keep Us Together". Unfortunately, love didn't keep many JW's together after the false prophecy failed.

  
  
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  A talk about 1975 from 1972

  by Nostromo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  everybody knows the famous "stay alive still 75" audio clip but here is a clip from 1972 with english subtitles.

  harold mouritz was the branch committee member in finland when he gave this talk.

  later he became the coordinator of the australian branch.

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  Sea Breeze

  Nicolaou,

  The speaker used logical fallacies much the same as you do.

  The speakers’ thesis was that since God said he wouldn’t leave his sons in darkness, then his information (about 1975) was proof of the fulfillment of that promise. That is really bad Circular reasoning and he offered zero proof, again much the same way you fail to use logic properly. Since, you “know” that God doesn’t exist, then you must be right?

  I think the term mental midget is appropriate as used.

  I hope you evolve a better understanding of logical reasoning.
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  A talk about 1975 from 1972

  by Nostromo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  everybody knows the famous "stay alive still 75" audio clip but here is a clip from 1972 with english subtitles.

  harold mouritz was the branch committee member in finland when he gave this talk.

  later he became the coordinator of the australian branch.

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  Sea Breeze

  The speech was very manipulative.

  It is easy to spot the hype now. But, back then for the average blue collar worker that just wants to be told what to do, that kind of talking is very effective.

  It has the “ring of truth”, if you are an uneducated mental midget.

  It’s sad how predators prey on the weakest among us.
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  The ORG'S "foundation" name............

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .........jehovah.. the bible's foundation name - (1 corinthians 3:11) "for no one can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is jesus christ.".

  the org's chosen name for christians - "jehovah's witnesses.".

  jehovah's chosen name for christians - acts 11:26 - "...the disciples were by divine providence called christians.".

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  Jesus is “preeminent.” (Col. 1:18)

  That means he is first. In everything. First in importance, first in honor, first in exaltation. And the grammar of the verse indicates that Jesus is the “head” and the “beginning” and the “firstborn” in order that Jesus might be the preeminent one.

  There is no way to otherwise interpret the phrase “King of kings and Lord of Lords”.

  He is “God manifest in the flesh”. The incarnation of Jehovah sharing in one body, the son of a virgin peasant girl.

  This is the Jesus the Wt tried to hide from us.
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  The Reasoning Book

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the book reasoning from the scriptures was released in the 1980's, and it was used at virtually every meeting for service, every service meeting, and every theocratic ministry school meeting thereafter.

  many jws had copies bound together with their bibles.

  it was huge in jw land back then.. at that time, with the reasoning book, jws were trained to keep conversations going in spite of objections, to almost stick their feet in people's doors to keep conversations going, to defend "the truth," to argue doctrine, etc.. compare the situation today with that of the 80's.

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  Yes Ding they did. I know of pioneers that had the reasoning book bound to their bible

  Sneaky ones those pioneers. I kept boxes of old mags in my trunk while I was pioneering. Used them on poor unsuspecting apartment dwellers. We set up ambushes in the laundry rooms. At least that is what I thought. In reality, they were a lot smarter than my family and they just put them in the trash where they belong.

  It all seems so silly now.
  
  
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  Request--Pastor Russell's World Tour Video in English!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  hi grandpa!.

  do you happen to have russell's world tour video?

  thx!.

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  This same volume reports ....supposed Bible prefigurations and prophecies of Russell that are shocking to Christian nonbelievers in Russellism."

  The F&DS has used this tactic in the most absurd ways over the years, taken from Russell's playbook.
  
  Who could forget the locusts in the Revelation book where the F&DS and faithful are "prophetically" identified as locusts? These "locusts" supposedly fly around sitinging (irritating) peole with WT literature while the world falls apart.

  
  
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  How can Babylon the Great be the WORLD of false religion?

  by BoogerMan in

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  (revelation 17:5) “babylon the great, the mother of the prostitutes (plural!

  ) and of the disgusting things of the earth.”.

  btg is spotlighted as being the principal "disgusting thing" which affects christians & christianity, with other lesser "prostitutes" in the background... (revelation 18:4) “get out of her, my people, (christians) if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.".

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  I beleive there will be some sort of end-times collaboration between the some parts of Christianity and Islam and maybe others as well. The whore of Babylon is definitely an evil world system, controlled by the Antichrist, during the last days before Jesus’ return, and has religious connotations. It is most likely an end-times religious system or confederacy, probably revolving around some sort of cult leander or anti-christ.
  
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  Request--Pastor Russell's World Tour Video in English!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi grandpa!.

  do you happen to have russell's world tour video?

  thx!.

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  Sea Breeze

  https://archive.org/details/allaboutonerusse00cook/page/12/mode/2up

  Russell's World Tour to investigate missions was little more than a publicity stunt. He met with virtually ZERO missionaries and his ports were what a typical vacation tour would use. He was later interviewed by a reporter and the findings are listed in the link above. He sought to discredit Christian Missionaries and install himself as responsible for the world's Salvation as a result of being the one "appointed over all of Christ's belongings":
  
  Couple of excerpts:

  1. "The acceptance of Russell as 'that servant' was made a test of fellowship among his followers, we are told, by the written statement of some who had been of that number, but who subsequently joined the large procession that is steadily falling away from 'Pastor' Russell.

  This fact gives point to such statements as the following from a 'souvenir' of one of Russell's convention trips, indorsed by a fac-simile of his signature: 'If any oppose the Lord by opposing the Channel (i. e., The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society) and the Servant (i. e., Russell) the Lord has delegated to do his work, to that extent he loses the favor, the Spirit of the Lord; light becomes darkness, and he is soon outside.' This same volume reports addresses, showing supposed Bible prefigurations and prophecies of Russell that are shocking to Christian nonbelievers in Russellism."

  On page 298 of his "Watch Tower," of issue of Sept. 15, 1910, it is written concerning his books :

  "If the six volumes of 'Scripture Studies' are practically the Bible, topically arranged, with Bible proof text given, we might not improperly name the volumes 'The Bible in an Arranged form.' That is to say, they are not merely comments on the Bible, but they are practically the Bible itself . . .

  "Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying in the Bible by itself, but we see also that if anyone lays the 'Scripture Studies' aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years — if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.

  2. "As I have studied the faces of hundreds of Russell's followers I have judged them to be mechanics, farmers and small tradesmen. They are the weaklings from among these great groups; the kind of people who always must have a leader; they lend a ready ear to a religion of authority; they like to think that they are studying things out for themselves. Actually, of course, they are gulping down wholesale whatever is given them. They are charmed by the magic of the words "truth" and "light," and the Russell literature is freely sprinkled with these.

  Give the average man a guarantee that there is no hell, and you will tickle him in the right place. Tell him that the heathen are not lost, and it meets his heartiest approval. Show him that the worst the very wicked (Russell's few incorrigibles, for it seems that even he is not equal to saving all sinners) need expect is non-existence after death, and he is "with you."

  He will wax eloquent in expatiating upon, and in defending such an easy-going, "common sense," satisfying religion, and will subscribe handsomely and voluntarily for its promulgation.

  We have observed Russellism for a long time and have never yet known an unregenerate person who looked into it, but who liked it. It is a religion made strictly for the fleshly man, and is a perfect fit.
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  Who really ARE the "true Christians?"

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  w93 11/1 p. 32 - "today, there has to exist a people, not just scattered individuals, who fit jesus’ description of true christians and who make god’s name manifest.".

  and here was i thinking that true christians had to proclaim jesus' name!!!

  matthew 10:18; mark 13:9; luke 24:48; john 1:15; john 5:37; john 8:18; john 15:26, 27; acts 1:8; acts 9:15; acts 10:39; acts 10:43; acts 13:31; acts 22:15; acts 22:20; acts 23:11; acts 26:16; 1 corinthians 1:6; 1 timothy 2:6, 7; 2 timothy 1:8; 1 john 5:9; revelation 1:9; revelation 12:17; revelation 17:6; revelation 19:10; revelation 20:4. how could the faithful evil slave get something so important, so wrong?.

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  @ VH7

  Good point. Also, since the Great Crowd are not justified (declared righteous) they have no explanation on how they plan to escape the wrath of God:

  Romans 5: 1 & 9

  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

  9. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
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  Waiting On Jehovah First Mentioned?

  by Ron.W. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yes, waiting on jehovah for him to handle a problem/ doctrine etc.. when did the jw's first start saying that?

  they've been saying it as long as i can remember.. what scriptures do they trot out to back that teaching up?

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  "waiting upon Jehovah for salvation "

  More WT manure. The Bible clearly teaches that the moment a person turns from his sin and trusts in Jesus (Not Jehovah) to be forgiven of his sin, he is saved (Acts 2:37-41). He has passed from spiritual death to spiritual life (John 5:24) and has been declared not guilty in God's court of law (Rom 3:21-26)

  And not only that, a person can have an internal "knowing" that he/she is saved. This is a tremendous comfort:

  - The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God

  - These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life